i point to he will el nino in te pacific. could it be just nature? >> absolutely. natural factors are a major, major driver. but to ignore the factors of climate change, we do that at our peril. coastal residents in florida get. this people in new york city they are studying. this they have climate change. we need our first responders to be -- if we do not protect our coastal citizens and ignore climate change, that means we may have insufficient coastal adaptation strategies. when i see a storm coming. >> that sounds pretty reasonable no matter whether it's man made or cyclical as you say part of the natural cycle of the earth that you now have to have a defense system that's different imawtion people living in the coastal regions as i do are at a higher risk. you say? >> i have been saying for years that we were returning to the cycle of the 1950s. pacific, which by the way at record breaking cold levels, how about them apples. the pacific is cooling. the atlantic is warming. the atlantic warm cycle last another 10 to 15 years. what aggravates me about these peop